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Increased number of training places

Post by Spatch » Sat May 30, 2020 8:29 am

Thought I would put this up as it is really good news for future applicants.
ACP-UK is delighted to announce that Health Education England will be funding a 25% increase in clinical psychology training places on English doctoral programmes from this autumn. This represents an additional 140 fully funded trainees and is the largest single increase in CP training in the UK ever. We congratulate Dr Adrian Whittington of the national Psychological Professions Network and all at Health Education England for this historic development. This represents a partial implementation of the workforce implementation strategy of the PPN prompted by the NHS Long Term Plan (England) and we look forward to further increases in successive years. We hope the English example will prompt the other home nations to increase their training cohorts in a similar fashion.

ACP-UK continues to campaign for expansion of more CP senior posts to provide leadership, supervision and governance for the now burgeoning early career workforce.

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That is quiet an impressive achievement considering the background of austerity and previous talk of defunding training. It's also a good example of how a professional association can make real impact, and the importance of being able to work at the organisational and strategic level rather than just the therapy room.
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Post by veritylm » Sat May 30, 2020 12:07 pm

Thanks for posting - I saw the email from the DCP which mentioned this is for September 2020. Anyone know how that would work given places have already been offered and accepted? Will they open up the reserve lists?

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Post by Alex » Sat May 30, 2020 5:01 pm

veritylm wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 12:07 pm
Thanks for posting - I saw the email from the DCP which mentioned this is for September 2020. Anyone know how that would work given places have already been offered and accepted? Will they open up the reserve lists?
Probably depends on the timings of when places get released, but most likely courses will use reserve lists. There are many applicants sitting on reserves lists at the moment. Though it could be months before courses are informed.

If the report is correct there are 140 places extra places in England for September 2020, which if you average across courses are 4 to 5 more places. However, I doubt it will work like that with commissioning regions deciding on different proportions to courses - so some large courses could have 6 whereas smaller ones have 1 or 2.

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Post by Spatch » Sat May 30, 2020 6:27 pm

Alex wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 5:01 pm

If the report is correct there are 140 places extra places in England for September 2020, which if you average across courses are 4 to 5 more places. However, I doubt it will work like that with commissioning regions deciding on different proportions to courses - so some large courses could have 6 whereas smaller ones have 1 or 2.
If I was to hazard a guess, I think it would be implemented like this. If I recall back to the early 2010s some courses lost places, so these may be back up to previous strength, plus 1 or 2 more training places. Others may have an extra few places allocated so a few lucky high reservers will benefit.
Remember, the limiting factor for all courses is how many placements (and by extension supervisors) are available in a geographical area that allow core competencies to develop. This is always been the case, and is why we just can't throw money at the problem of not having enough psychologists.

In some areas, this is already a difficulty. For example, my service is a fairly complex specialist pathway that we offer as a specialist 3rd year placement. However, as it is in adult mental health and offers good opportunities around assessment and maps nicely onto CBT, I have been asked by my local course to consider taking first years on core placements. This implies the difficulties the course has with finding enough high quality placements for trainees to meet those basic competencies.

That's not to say this is not great news, but I can imagine it being a headache for more than one clinical tutor.
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Post by miriam » Sun May 31, 2020 1:01 am

Just to be clear, there are 140 new places between clinical psychology and child psychotherapy training courses coming this year. Not all are clinical psychology places. And there is a focus on diversity tied into them. It is not yet clear how many places are going to be created, how they will fulfil this brief, when they will be able to recruit or whether they will use existing reserve lists.
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Post by RJParker » Sun May 31, 2020 7:09 pm

I think that clarity may vary from region to region.

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Post by minipsychologist » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:47 am

RJParker wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 7:09 pm
I think that clarity may vary from region to region.
Can I ask, do you know when we may receive clarity around this from the North West courses!? Do you think it will be days or weeks?!

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Post by RJParker » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:35 am

minipsychologist wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:47 am
RJParker wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 7:09 pm
I think that clarity may vary from region to region.
Can I ask, do you know when we may receive clarity around this from the North West courses!? Do you think it will be days or weeks?!
I can't tell you anything about how Liverpool and Manchester might be choosing to deal with extra commissions I'm afraid which I guess is what you are asking me.

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Post by minipsychologist » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:43 am

RJParker wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:35 am
minipsychologist wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:47 am
RJParker wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 7:09 pm
I think that clarity may vary from region to region.
Can I ask, do you know when we may receive clarity around this from the North West courses!? Do you think it will be days or weeks?!
I can't tell you anything about how Liverpool and Manchester might be choosing to deal with extra commissions I'm afraid which I guess is what you are asking me.

Thank you for replying. I understand that you cannot speak about specific courses. I’m more asking your thoughts on when we may receive some communication around this rather than what each course will say.

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Post by RJParker » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:15 am

My general thoughts on the matter rather than comments on any specific programmes would be that when you hear anything would depend on what they decide to do and how they decide to do it but in the knowledge that the commissions are for trainees to start this year.

I cannot imagine any programmes will be in a position to turn down the places given the financial position of universities. I think you can probably imagine the kind of conversations that must be going on within institutions where there may currently be recruitment freezes or significant oversight of any and all expenditure and layers of committees to negotiate. And when there is money involved there are always political agendas too, local and national. Given the variation in programmes, I expect the speed at which decisions are made to vary too.

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Post by PinkFreud19 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:41 am

As a trainee, I've heard my course are planning to take applicants from the reserve list. They acknowledged that their reserve list is probably big enough, but others might not be, and might have to consider reinterviewing.

The main consideration for my course appears to be finding big enough rooms for up to 25% extra trainees, tutor capacity at a time when recruitment is being blocked due to COVID, and finding enough supervisors for core placements, at quite short notice.

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Re: Increased number of training places

Post by Alex » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:44 pm

It seems like courses are waiting to see the offer of commissioned places but it looks like things are moving faster than I thought they would.

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Post by ProcrastinationFuel » Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:29 pm

Email from Clearing House:

"Dear Candidate,

You may be aware of the recent announcement regarding additional funding from Health Education England: https://www.hee.nhs.uk/news-blogs-event ... -announced. This means that English training courses may be in a position to offer additional places for 2020 entry, but the exact details of this are yet to be confirmed for individual programmes.

Therefore, we would like to draw your attention to the following:

1. Any offers already received will be honoured by programmes, and will not be withdrawn by programmes.

2. Programmes have requested that the Clearing House adheres to the original deadline of 2pm on Friday 12th June, and candidates are therefore requested to make a firm decision regarding any offers received by that date, and to communicate that to the Clearing House.

3. After the 2pm on 12th June, English programmes may be in a position to offer additional places, and will communicate directly with their candidates. Subsequent decisions regarding additional places will be made by individual courses and managed via the courses directly, rather than centrally, via the Clearing House.

4. If you are currently on the reserve list of one or more programmes, please wait for the programme/s to contact you with further information, when it becomes available.

5. Individual programmes will make any additional offers based on their original selection process."

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Re: Increased number of training places

Post by Alex » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:15 pm

For those interested, there is a twitter thread answering further questions:

https://twitter.com/DCPPreQual/status/1 ... 2543590401

Laura Golding (Programme Director of Liverpool) tweeted:
My expectation is that HEE will offer 25% more places to every DClin programme in England but it may take a while before all programmes know how many additional places they will have. Individual programmes will make any additional offers based on their original selection.

So it looks like it is not between CP & child psychotherapy the places.

It is stated that the funding at the moment is only for this year.

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Post by Samays » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:16 pm

miriam wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 1:01 am
Just to be clear, there are 140 new places between clinical psychology and child psychotherapy training courses coming this year. Not all are clinical psychology places. And there is a focus on diversity tied into them. It is not yet clear how many places are going to be created, how they will fulfil this brief, when they will be able to recruit or whether they will use existing reserve lists.
Hi, do you have any further information on how the extra places might have diversity tied to them? Where was this initially indicated?

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