What to do if I don't get a place this year..or ever!

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What to do if I don't get a place this year..or ever!

Post by psych_lad » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:29 pm

I just thought I would start a new thread that I feel might be helpful in sharing ideas about future career plans.

Perhaps some discussion around alternatives to clinical, when should you stop trying, other options etc. I know some people may choose to ignore this thread until they here about the outcome of their applications. But I am accepting that around 75% of applicants will be rejected, that a hell a lot of a people! What are they going to be doing if this happens?

Some questions to get going:

1. how many times have you applied
2. how many time have you been offered interviews
3. how long you plan to keep applying
4. what alternative career may you consider

1. This is my third time applying (including this years app, awaiting outcome)

2. No interviews ever

3. I don't know...this is what I am confused about and I hope this thread will help me with!

4. IAPT high intenisty, although I am a bit fed up with the IAPT mimimum data set at the moment (I have it practically memorised!).

I feel stuck in terms on where to go next if I do not get a place on the course this year. AP jobs have seemed to vanished! Even IAPT High Intensity is difficult as not all trusts consider people without a core profession. I am not sure how long I can stay in my current job. I feel very undervalued and a bit overwhelmed by the expectations and volume of work- making me very unhappy.
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Post by jplw » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:42 pm

Hi Psych_lad,

Sorry to hear you are unhappy at the moment and unsure what to do next. This year's not over just yet though so chin up for a bit longer...it might be third time lucky for you.

Was your first time applying quite early after your undergrad? as perhaps you could really discount that one as a practice run.

It might be helpful for you if you have access to a CP to have some discussion over your application (if you are unsuccessful again this year) and maybe ask for some advice about what kinds of experiences could improve it for next time, or maybe the style of writing on the form.

There are lots of career options for psychology graduates, especially those with clinical experience, it just depends on whether any of the other options appeal to you.

For me personally this is my first year applying, I am not expecting to get on the course even if I do get an interview. So my plan is to look at what skills and knowledge I currently have and look at job opportunities where I can use those skills whilst also building on my weakness (clinical experience...) Specifically what those jobs are I am yet to find out but I know there will be relevant jobs, that pay a reasonable wage.

Do you have much research experience? Perhaps you could look at research assistant jobs that are clinically relevant? As this may also enhance your application (I apologise if i am presuming this is something you don't have)

I am making the decision that the clinical course will always be there and I do not wish to spend the next few years of my life 'waiting' to get on working in low pay roles. There are other jobs that I'm sure I would enjoy just as much but I will probably still keep applying for a while yet.

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Re: What to do if I don't get a place this year..or ever!

Post by ElizabethB » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:07 pm

Hi psychlad.

Sorry to read your post- best of luck with your remaining unis.

I have to say, although I was fully expecting a rejection from Surrey- its a horrible feeling (I feel like I've wasted a big opportunity)! Although, I've yet to hear from my other 3 unis, so I'm trying to keep optimistic.

1. how many times have you applied

Second time applying, first time I applied (pre PhD) I received four outright rejections.

2. how many time have you been offered interviews

No interviews...

3. how long you plan to keep applying

Probably 1 more time. I'm 30 next year, so I'm a little reluctant to keep trying which may never materialise into anything.

4. what alternative career may you consider

1. Post doc researcher- in Clinical or Health Psychology- put my PhD to good use.
2. I'm going to submit an application for the doctorate in health psychology at City University for 2010 entry so that I can qualify as a chartered health psychologist in two years.
3. Property developer?

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Post by katja » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:26 pm

Hi

Miriam set up a wiki related to other careers to clinical psychology here: viewtopic.php?t=7931

1. 3

2. 7 rejections pre interview, 1 interview last year resulted in reserve place

3. We still haven't heard yet! But if its not good news, then its a good idea in a few months when you feel a bit stronger, to speak to your supervisor or a trusted person, go through your application and reflect on your progress...Maybe there is another course that would add to your application, maybe more research experience, clinical experience with other groups, or maybe some personal therapy? These are just some options I considered, but your plan and your choices need to be for you. I was going to give up last year but support from the other forum and my supervisor encouraged me that it would be too soon and to try again.

4. I hope others will post good ideas.
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Re: What to do if I don't get a place this year..or ever!

Post by baa » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:57 pm

1. how many times have you applied
Four

2. how many time have you been offered interviews
None! (I have a feeling my form was too clinically orientated, because I am not terribly interested in the management/research/leadership side of things)

3. how long you plan to keep applying
Never again!

4. what alternative career may you consider
IAPT High Intensity, there are Trusts out there who do employ PWPs my new employers have employed at least 4 in this go round. Huzzah! Plus, it makes so much more sense for me:
- I like CBT, it suits me and I work well with it (in a PWP way, which while it's not formal CBT is based on CBT techniques)
- I like clinical work, there's going to be a lot of that
- I am really not that fussed about research, my attention span is too small, the idea of a final year project fills me with glooooom
- I like working with adults. I like the range you get in a 17-65 age group
- I like Primary Care, I think you get to see more progress and selfishly feel all lovely and effective - I like the minimum dataset, it does give good graph :lol:

So! All in all, actually glad I never got on to a CP course. Halfway through my rejection letters in 2008 I decided that I wanted to do IAPt and was actually a bit freaked by the possibility of having an interview, getting on the course, and because of the pressure, having to take the place. Maybe the unis picked up on my ambivalence about the whole shebang of clinical psychology, since my focus has always been on the IAPt part ;)
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Post by baa » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:01 pm

oh god, I've gone irritatingly cheerful again. It's the sun.

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Post by kooky » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:11 pm

1. how many times have you applied
Three

2. how many time have you been offered interviews
None! No idea what is wrong with my form, different unis say different things.

3. how long you plan to keep applying
Depends on whether I hear anything this year or how fed up I get!

4. what alternative career may you consider
Already doing my plan B as a IAPT High intensity. Thoughts of going to the dark side and doing a graduate medicine. Its not the job that defines the person after all. You bring what you want to it!

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Post by aspiring_CP » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:08 pm

1. how many times have you applied?
twice including this time

2. how many times have you been offered interviews?
once

3. how long do you plan to keep applying?
once more, maybe 2 at a push

4. what alternative career may you consider?
I've thought or lots of different careers. I knew this would be a tough career to get in to so really haven't pinned all my hopes on it. Seen too many devastated people. Options for me are Nursing, primary teaching, police force and any other people orientated professions.

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Post by psych_lad » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:35 pm

Some interesting replies.

I guess it doesn't help me having supervisors not really wanting to support my application because of the whole "we have invested in training in you" argument. I did get a glowing clinical reference from a CP but have often been ignored at my requests to read/help with the form and any other time to support my CP aspirations - apparently I should be ringing patients constantly to meet my targets and should be planning to stay in service as a PWP for at least another two years!

I was also told, not sure how much truth there is in this, that the clnical courses funded by the same SHA as my IAPT course would frown at my decision to apply to CP and will not dare to shortlist me for an interview.

I need to get out of IAPT fast! lol
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Post by Milka » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:57 pm

1. how many times have you applied?
once last year
2. how many times have you been offered interviews?
i had one interview last year at Staffs which was really bad (my performance rather than the interview/course itself) though their questions were a little erm challenging)
3. how long do you plan to keep applying?
at present i don't think i'll apply again but never say never...
4. what alternative career may you consider?
I'm now a high intensity trainee which i am enjoying. i was so relieved to get a place as for me it is the next best thing, i don't have the tenacity to apply year after year and if i'm honest am not sure i'd deal well with teh stress of doing the clin psy doctorate

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Post by psych_lad » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:00 pm

Mika, do you have a core profession?
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Post by miriam » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:06 pm

psych_lad wrote:I was also told, not sure how much truth there is in this, that the clnical courses funded by the same SHA as my IAPT course would frown at my decision to apply to CP and will not dare to shortlist me for an interview.
I don't think that would be possible, due to short-listing being based on anonymous forms for equal opps, and just the sheer logistics. Seems a bit of a mean scaremongering rumour to start though!
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Post by ukcharlie » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:10 pm

psych_lad wrote:Some interesting replies.

I guess it doesn't help me having supervisors not really wanting to support my application because of the whole "we have invested in training in you" argument. I did get a glowing clinical reference from a CP but have often been ignored at my requests to read/help with the form and any other time to support my CP aspirations - apparently I should be ringing patients constantly to meet my targets and should be planning to stay in service as a PWP for at least another two years!

I was also told, not sure how much truth there is in this, that the clnical courses funded by the same SHA as my IAPT course would frown at my decision to apply to CP and will not dare to shortlist me for an interview.

I need to get out of IAPT fast! lol
Yikes psych_lad I feel for you!. I'm a PWP, qualified in July 2009 and to be fair to my team they have been pretty good about career aspirations. No pressure to stay, more an attitude of 'we'd love to have you stay but we see why you might go and will help you if we can'. My manager has been very honest about lack of progression oportunities to HIT posts but has said she will support/push for senior PWP and some specialisation/in-depth cases. Same for my supervisor. Doesn't mean it'll happen as the powers that be may block it but I do feel appreciated..

Lord I hope you're wrong about the SHA frowning on their IAPT workers going for CP - if so my (faint) best hope has just gone down the pan :!:

So to answer your questions..

First time applicant

None so far.. (one rejection)

Think I'll try again next year (and I'm 43!) as if I get some deeper IAPT experience it might help and I know my aplication form could be better on the reflective front. Downside might be that until recently I was supervised by a consultant CP who did my reference. Now I'm supervised by a HIT (although she's a great supervisor and also wants me to take one or two in depth cases so I can do 1-1 closely supervised CBT to help me get CP or senior PWP or HIT). I just hope that next year the centres are decent enough to read a refeence beyond the author's job title - I'm sure they are.

So alternative careers. Senior PWP if I can although not as an end point. HIT if I can (then maybe apply again for CP?) then team leader perhaps. My waggon is prety well hitched to the NHS now...

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Post by katja » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:07 am

I was also told, not sure how much truth there is in this, that the clnical courses funded by the same SHA as my IAPT course would frown at my decision to apply to CP and will not dare to shortlist me for an interview.
Psych_lad A course tutor at an admissions talk for one of the London courses did say that they would consider PWP's who are still in training but their motivations would be looked at as they are already in NHS training. This was obviously just her view (and not mine btw) so may possibly be its a factor at some of the course centres very closely linked to IAPT training but not all of them.

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Re: What to do if I don't get a place this year..or ever!

Post by ElizabethB » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:17 am

psych_lad wrote:I feel very undervalued and a bit overwhelmed by the expectations and volume of work- making me very unhappy.
Hi psych_lad, I just wanted to say that I completely share your feelings. I'm seriously thinking of looking into plan b options as I seriously don't think I'll ever get there! I'm desperately trying to stay positive, but its very hard to stay positive!!!

Best of luck with news from your other unis- you may surprise yourself! It only takes one interview to materialise into a place! xxxx

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